Hazing (fee fi fo fun for me)

In the New York Times today.
Can’t talk about it just now. I’ll just quote. Wtf?

Later that year, as Congress moved toward outlawing “cruel, inhuman and degrading” treatment, the Justice Department issued another secret opinion, one most lawmakers did not know existed, current and former officials said. The Justice Department document declared that none of the C.I.A. interrogation methods violated that standard.

The Bush administration had entered uncharted legal territory beginning in 2002, holding prisoners outside the scrutiny of the International Red Cross and subjecting them to harrowing pressure tactics. They included slaps to the head; hours held naked in a frigid cell; days and nights without sleep while battered by thundering rock music; long periods manacled in stress positions; or the ultimate, waterboarding.

Interrogators were worried that even approved techniques had such a painful, multiplying effect when combined that they might cross the legal line, Mr. Kelbaugh said. He recalled agency officers asking: “These approved techniques, say, withholding food, and 50-degree temperature — can they be combined?” Or “Do I have to do the less extreme before the more extreme?”

Still interesting, readable and something to worry about is Nunberg’s old-ish piece on torture/hazing

ps. the nunberg piece is also of interest given this response by the White House

”This country does not torture,” White House press secretary Dana Perino told reporters. ”It is a policy of the United States that we do not torture and we do not.’

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